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I don't know what this dude's fully capable of.
I have nightmares about this house.
Aah! He's pissed off.
All of their bodies were burned beyond recognition.
- Wow. - Hates this person. Hates them.
- I had an exorcism. - An exorcism?
I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna kill you.
I got to get away from this guy.
It's really bad in here.
My name is Amy Allan.
Something is not right.
I see dead people.
This person might have been a serial killer.
I speak to dead people.
You get those chills.
And they speak to me.
He is darkness. He is evil.
But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.
I think she broke her neck.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired New York City homicide Detective.
You telling me the truth?
And I know every person, every house has secrets.
I think the Devil is down here.
It's my job to reveal them.
Who the hell would do this?
But Steve and I never speak...
We never communicate during an investigation.
Until the very end.
Who's he looking to kill?
We uncover if it's safe for you to stay...
You need to get out of here right now.
Or time to get out.
It was like endless darkness.
Amy and I look into each case separately.
I interview living witnesses and dig into the property's history,
looking for dark secrets buried in the past.
While Amy communicates with the dead.
I'm in Chicago, Illinois, on my way to the house of a veteran cop.
Thing is, he didn't call us in.
His daughter, Cristina, did.
She says the activity in the house is so bad, she's afraid for his safety.
But she also says that he's such a tough guy, he is not gonna leave his home.
I'm hoping Amy and I can help him out.
Before Amy arrives, I look for any leading information.
This home has a lot of photographs, religious icons,
and family heirlooms that have to be covered or removed.
When I'm finished, the location will be ready for tonight's walk.
I'm seeing this older woman.
She said that somebody opened a door.
And also is bringing dead people home with them.
And she wants it to stop.
She says...
"I'm not gonna waste any more time because you're not gonna do anything to help me"...
Just like the others.
Uh...
Ow!
What's wrong?
Oh, Cristina, I'm glad I'm here.
You sounded a little worried on the phone about all the stuff happening
in the house here, and you're concerned for your father, I understand.
- Yes. - But what about you?
I've heard voices, footsteps...
And I have nightmares about this house.
I haven't lived here since I was 18, and they still continue.
Okay, like what?
There was a boy, and he was trying to force me to look at his head.
And half his face was gone.
Okay, so, you've been having these dreams for a while.
For years.
Okay, so my question here is why are you calling us in now?
My daughter is only 3.
And when she's staying here, she's having...
These kind of bad dreams.
Cristina, the first person you mentioned when we spoke on the phone was your father.
And you sounded concerned for him. What's the story?
It's just my Dad and my stepmom, Lori, here by themselves.
I'm concerned about their safety.
What are you looking for us to do for you?
I'm hoping that my nightmares will stop.
That I'll be able to bring my daughter here,
and that my Dad and Lori will be okay here by themselves.
Ow.
So, I look, and there's a guy who...
Came from below...
The house.
He was punching me nonstop, and he's got blood on him,
like, dried-up blood, and he told me I should leave.
He's worried or something.
Well, right down there. Right down there.
Mm.
This male...
Hides...
Down in here.
He gets up in their space.
There's someone standing, staring at you. You know what I mean?
This is the same room you grew up in having nightmares.
Yes, it is.
Okay. What have you experienced in the room?
This is where I've seen the apparition.
Of what?
A woman dressed in white.
And she was actually right here in front of my closet door.
- Okay, did you get a look at her face? - No.
Her back was to me.
She was facing the door, and then, she disappeared into it.
Okay. You sure it wasn't a dream or anything like that?
I was wide awake.
Oh, interesting.
What's going on?
- The older woman... - Mm hmm.
From outside likes to...
Hide in the closet.
And pop out like a witch.
Is this something that people see?
Yes. That's why she does it.
So, Mark, obviously, we're here because your daughter called us in.
Mm-hmm.
She's concerned for your safety, as well as your wife.
You got to be a little bit worried yourself, I would think.
Very worried.
Now, do you know any history about the house?
A little bit. I know that a doctor lived here, and he was a T.B. doctor in the area.
- You're a cop. - Yes.
- And how long you been a cop? - About 27 years.
I'm sure you're like me. If you don't see it or hear it, you don't believe it.
Right.
So, that being said, have you had experiences here?
I heard my name be called once.
It sounded like my wife.
It sounded just like her, like something's mimicking her.
- Was she home? - No.
I jumped up. I grabbed my gun. I ran down the stairs.
It did sound like someone was in my home.
- And nobody was? - Nobody was there.
Okay, have you ever experienced anything else down here?
I see what appears to be, like, a black mass coming up the stairway.
- Scared the heck out of me. - It did, huh?
- It's very frustrating. - Right.
It's hard to even accept it because I can't prove it, and I can't...
I really can't understand it.
This is his preferred area in here.
Aah! He's pissed off.
He's angry. People definitely see this guy.
Ow.
Aah. He hurts people.
Ow!
He's making my head hurt.
Yeah.
Ow!
Knock it off.
Okay, Mark, so, why'd you bring me here?
I seen a male apparition and a female apparition.
Okay, describe the male for me.
He had a suit on, I recall, a tie, and glasses.
- And you mentioned you saw a female, also. - Yes, I did.
She appeared to be a little older, had longer hair, it looked gray to me.
- Okay. - And she was in some sort of dress.
You know, on the phone, your daughter mentioned
something about inviting other paranormal groups in.
- We did recently. - And?
They definitely said that there is something going on.
Was that the only investigative team or proactive thing you've done in the house?
No. I had an exorcism of the house.
- An exorcism? - Yes.
After the exorcism, did anything improve at all?
I don't believe it has.
What are you hoping we can do for you?
I know now that my daughter had a hard time here, she had nightmares.
- Yeah. - Now I got grandkids.
I don't want my grandkids to go through what my kids went through.
Oh, no.
I got, like, weird, Voodoo, seance stuff happening here.
Somebody opened a [Bleep] door!
Where dead people come.
The old woman, she doesn't like to come in here anymore.
Because it's too um...
Chaotic and hectic for her.
And she wants her house back, so she's getting really desperate.
She said she swears to God she's gonna poison them.
So, Lori, I talked to your husband, Mark.
- Mm hmm. - I talked to Cristina...
And they explained the experiences they've had and what's going on in the house.
- What about yourself? - I've had a few strange experiences.
- Okay. - And...
One of them being one night I thought Mark was home from work.
- He used to work midnights. - Okay.
I heard footsteps coming up the stairs.
I kind of, like, froze.
And I never heard him come towards the bedroom, so obviously, it wasn't him.
- Okay, so, he wasn't home. - He wasn't home.
What about one of the other kids.
It wasn't the other kids. They were all in bed.
So, that really freaked me out.
I see these two men.
Um, they have no skin.
They're rotting and they like that.
And they're tricksters. They're tricksters.
Those two men, they're tricksters.
They look charred.
I feel like they got burned or something.
And I hear roughhousing.
You know, they're banging in the walls.
Anything else going on up here?
I don't feel comfortable in the dark.
Why?
Not too long ago, I went to bed one night, and all of a sudden, in a sound sleep...
I felt hands come up and grab my waist.
And, like, I'm facing Mark, so it couldn't have been him.
- What did you do? - I froze.
I kind of, like, put the blankets up, and I was afraid to move or say anything.
Okay, so, you couldn't mistake it for something else?
No.
Sounds like you were on pins and needles living here.
Yeah.
Now I'm a little more nervous of going to bed.
If I wake up in the middle of the night, I'm afraid to, like, open my eyes or move.
Bad.
Lots of physical [Bleep]
He's like...
Beating on somebody in the bed.
He hates them.
Ah! Hates this person.
- Hates them. - Why?
They're messing with his stuff.
Messing with his life.
- And this is a living person? - Yes.
He's, like, up in their ear, and he's like, I'm gonna kill you.
I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna kill you.
Just as I'm seeing what this angry man can do to the living,
he turns his attention back on me.
He wants me out of this house, and he has disturbing ways of showing it.
He is a [Bleep]!
[Bleep] Damn it.
I got to get away from this guy.
He's really hurting me.
He's very excited that um...
He can jump people or get inside of people.
His energy is extremely uncomfortable, like terrible, terrible.
I got scared because I thought, I don't know what this dude's fully capable of.
Mark told me his house used to be a doctor's office for T.B. patients.
So I made some calls around town, and his story checks out.
But the historian I contacted says there's a lot more to the story than Mark realizes.
So, it turns out that my client was right,
that the house was occupied by a doctor at one time.
Yeah, Dr. George Gindele.
Can you tell me a little bit about him?
Well, he was a general practice doctor.
There wasn't a lot of money in medicine, and he had, like, 10 children,
so they had to start various other businesses.
They opened up a candy store. They had a newsstand that they operated.
Okay, and he did treat T.B. patients in the house?
Yes, he did.
This guy sounds like he put a lot on his plate.
He had a house with 10 kids he was trying to raise...
Yeah.
His own practice, several other businesses,
plus, he's treating a very contagious disease in his own home.
Right. He must have been terribly stressed out in his life.
That hurt.
But I know what he [Bleep] looks like now to me.
Even though the angry man violently attacked me,
he revealed himself to me for just a second.
And I was able to get a glimpse of what he looked like in life.
Very professional field.
Dark-brown hair, average build, as far as I can tell.
He does have a coat on.
He had a very, very [Bleep] stressful life.
Very [Bleep] stressed about work.
High stakes. High stakes.
Now, you had mentioned that he had some tragedy in his life.
Yeah. Some years before, a couple of his sons were going through an apple orchard.
Nearby the property, and this man suddenly appears, and he starts yelling at them
in German, telling them to get out of the apple orchard.
And he takes out a shotgun full of buckshot,
and he starts firing them at the kids.
And one of the sons got hit in the leg.
And the oldest son, George, got hit in the face.
And he didn't die, but it disfigured him horribly.
I've seen shotgun victims before.
How bad was his face?
Well, George Jr. was hit 35 times in the face and the neck.
So it was obviously very bad.
You all right?
There's a lot of pain in his head.
He had a destination. There was some kind of meeting with men.
And then, I see trees around me.
That's when things get sketchy.
But then, he came back here.
So, now you got this poor kid shot in the face. He's disfigured.
- Whatever wound up happening to him? - It's a tragedy.
About eight years later, 1926...
The doctor gets a house call, and he decides to take George out with him.
And it's pretty snowy for that time of year.
And the house call is around the Des Plaines River.
And the doctor parks his car, goes off on his house call...
And he leaves young George behind.
George got out of the car evidently, and he went and he
sat on the edge of the bridge looking down at the river.
Meantime, Dr. Gindele comes back, and the kid's missing.
He doesn't know what happened to him so...
He goes back home and files a missing-person report.
They finally found his body a couple weeks later downstream.
A few miles from where he had evidently gone into the river.
Okay. So, did they have a cause of death?
Well, they brought the body in for an autopsy.
And that's the death certificate.
He drowned, and they're saying it's accidental.
Right.
- This had to devastate him. - Oh, it had to.
And it just broke him up. It just destroyed him.
This guy, he fell down.
He slipped on the ice, and maybe he kind of snapped a little when... you know?
Because he's not dealing with it.
I think it's just because his brain is... he's confused.
It triggered his pain, and he got really angry.
Uh, pretty quickly.
I want to know what happened to Dr. Gindele after the death of his son.
For me, the best source of information is from a family member.
I've managed to track down one of his descendants,
who says the tragedy destroyed the doctor's life.
Now, Jack, I know you're a descendant of Dr. Gindele.
But what was your actual relationship to him?
- He was my grandfather. - Okay.
And this is a picture of Dr. Gindele and his oldest son George.
- This was taken before he was shot? - Yes.
You know, Jack, one of the reasons I actually wanted to meet with you
is because I wanted to find out what happened to the doctor after his son died.
He had a nervous breakdown, and as a result, he stopped practicing medicine.
My understanding is that Dr. Gindele was of such a state of mind
that he went to live in Oak Park with one of his sisters.
And my Grandmother stayed in the house with the children.
So, he just left them there?
Well...
Uh, yes.
I got to figure your Grandmother had it pretty tough then.
Yes.
How old was the doctor when he died?
- Uh, 75. - 75, okay.
And how old was your Grandmother when she passed?
- In her 80s. - Oh, she was an elderly woman.
- Oh, yes. - Okay.
I feel very tired here.
Just...
Worn out.
This might be that old lady.
- Okay. - But something...
Is not...
Right.
What are you talking about?
Something about their family, it's broken.
She felt really lonely...
Confused.
I don't like it.
It's a little [Bleep] unnerving.
I'm at the local library to see what
else I can uncover about my client's property.
Digging through the archives, I discover that a poor farm operated right next door.
And according to the headlines, the conditions there were terrible.
So I've reached out to a local reporter,
who tells me that the tragedies that took place there are unthinkable.
The Cook County poor farm is one of the dirty secrets...
In Chicago history.
The conditions there were absolutely appalling.
This was where they sent people, basically, to be forgotten.
And as you can see from this picture, this is a fairly large institution.
What kind of people would have been on this poor farm?
Quite a variety. There were mental patients...
There were indigents, and there were tubercular patients.
Pat, you mentioned on the phone that there was a tragedy on the farm.
What was it?
In 1923, the main building of the mental institution...
- Okay. - Burned down.
And at least 17 people were killed.
All of their bodies were burned beyond recognition.
Wow.
And as you can see, the destruction was pretty widespread.
As a matter of fact, most of the people who died there ended up being buried there.
You mean people who died there before and after the fire?
Yes.
And what's the estimate of how many people are actually buried on that property?
Conservatively, 38,000 people.
Wow.
During my walk, I got a quick glimpse of the angry man who attacked me.
So I'm meeting with a sketch artist to draw him.
His hair was very thick but cut short.
And kind of a longer chin.
How about his eyes?
Almond-shaped.
Next, I described a horrifying scene in the upstairs bedroom.
There's a woman in the bed, and I saw him, like, beating on her.
I'd have his left hand holding her arm.
And his right hand in a fist over her.
Is this what you saw?
Yes.
Now that Amy and I have completed our own investigations.
We're ready to reveal our findings to each other and our clients for the first time.
Amy, I want you to meet Mark.
He's a cop, and he's been a cop for 27 years.
This is his wife, Lori, and his daughter, Cristina.
Now, Cristina's actually the one who called us in.
But she doesn't live here anymore.
Even though she doesn't live here, she's still getting tormented by nightmares.
Now she has a 3- year-old daughter...
Who's having similar dreams, and she's getting very concerned about it.
These two live here, and they're being tormented by the activity.
And they want to get their life back in order and make this a safe place to live.
So, now that Amy knows a little bit about what's going on,
I'm gonna ask her to tell us about her walk.
So, I encountered two men.
And they didn't have any skin.
They were kind of like mushy-looking corpses.
They were a little charred like they had been burned.
Upstairs in the hallway in particular, they like to horse around.
They're kind of acting crazy.
You'd hear the scuffling feet in that hallway.
Now, you guys hear footsteps all the time upstairs.
- Yeah. - Correct.
I would think it was Mark coming home from work.
And I would hear footsteps.
Well, this particular night, I heard the footsteps coming up...
And I waited for him, you know, to come back to, like, the bedroom,
and he never came back, meaning it wasn't him.
Right.
Now, you mentioned these guys looked like they were burned?
They got burned in a fire.
That's interesting you say that because in the late 1800s, less than a mile from here.
Adjacent to the property was the Cook County poor farm.
The complex housed poor people...
Had an insane asylum on it, and it had a Sanitarium for Tuberculosis patients.
Wow.
1923, the insane asylum burns down to the ground.
Oh.
17 people burn to death.
- Oh, my gosh. - Oh, wow.
Now, this is a photo of the aftermath.
People that went there, they died there, and they were buried there.
Could be as high as 38,000.
What?
- Right here? - Right here.
Now, do you think these guys came from that fire?
Yes.
What else did you see?
I encountered this older woman outside.
And she was just spewing hate.
She felt very alone and confused.
And was really, really tired.
One of the things that she likes to do is...
Come out of the closets.
She's trying to assert her dominance that way.
I saw the figure of a woman...
Upstairs in my bedroom facing the closet.
And she disappeared into it.
I saw an apparition of a woman.
I could only see her from the back because she was sitting on the edge of the bed.
The edge of the bed is right next to the closet.
Let me ask. What is she pissed about?
She doesn't feel like...
This is her space anymore.
Because there was something about seances and someone opening a door.
And she's getting desperate.
No one's listening, and she swears to God,
if it continues she wants to poison you guys.
Like, she wants to poison you.
- They did have a ghost group... - Okay.
Of paranormal investigators come in.
Not only that, but they had a priest perform an exorcism in the house.
- We did. - Of the house?
Of the house.
This is where we started the ritual here.
And he said that he was chasing whatever it was
throughout the house down into the basement.
While he was in the basement...
He's saying the final prayers and...
The stole got pulled off of his shoulders and thrown to the floor.
Oh!
Now...
Is the woman pissed off because of maybe the exorcism or all of the above?
I think it's all of the above.
I'm a little concerned about your saying that she was going to poison the people.
- Mm hmm. - Is she capable of that?
Yes.
This woman's so advanced she's able to persuade the living
into harming themselves, and she plans to do it with poison.
I got to protect my family.
This is not something that's gonna obviously fly here.
What else did you see?
I'm outside, and I meet this guy.
He was trying to get me out of here.
He just didn't want me to find anything out about him.
Definitely the most powerful entity that's in this house.
Aah! He's pissed off. He's angry.
People definitely see this guy.
Ow.
Aah. He hurts people.
He looked very professional.
He was...
Obsessed with his work.
Extremely stressed-out man.
And he was extremely good at whatever it was he did.
But it was high-stress and high stakes.
I'm not sure if this is the guy you saw, but it sounds like him.
This house was occupied by a guy by the name of Dr. George Gindele.
And he worked out of the house, this house.
Um, starting in, I think, 1920.
He was a workaholic, this guy.
Back during that time period, Chicago had a big Tuberculosis outbreak.
He treated a lot of those patients right here in the house.
And he had 10 kids here.
That's a lot of stress.
I'm just curious if this could possibly be the guy you saw.
I did do a sketch of him.
Well, you guys take a look at the sketch.
Wow.
Wow, is right.
That's the apparition I saw.
100% definitely, that's the guy I saw.
Oh, my God.
If you imagine a mustache right here, it really does look just like him.
I don't like the fact that...
He's here doing what he's doing because I'd figure if he was a doctor,
he would be helping people, not causing problems.
And did you get anything else from this guy?
He had had two big accidents during his life.
The first one I saw was he slipped on ice.
The other one I saw, like, he was walking to meet some men...
And then, something really, really bad happened.
He was all bloody, and there was something wrong with his eyes.
I have nothing that says Dr. Gindele had any accidents but...
There were two events in his life that basically destroyed him.
I actually have a picture of him and his son, who he was very close to.
This is the doctor, and this is his son, George Jr.
George Jr. was about 20 years old, and he was walking through the neighbor's,
farm the apple orchard.
And the guy that lived on the farm decided to take a shot at him.
What?
Shot him in the face and neck.
So this kid was disfigured.
My dream.
I had a nightmare one night, and there was
a boy who looked like he was in his late teens.
And it looked like he had been shot in the head because half of his face was missing.
And he kept trying to force me to look at it.
Because I have nightmares all the time that are connected to this house.
I have nightmares all the time that are connected to this house.
This is...
Hard for me to take.
You guys thought I was crazy.
I never even heard that, honey. I didn't even know that happened.
She'll be all right.
Hopefully, this helps her.
- You all right? - I'm okay.
Starting to make sense to you now, though, a little? Yeah?
Now, this poor kid, George Jr., was badly disfigured from this shooting.
Now, you mentioned falling into the ice or falling on the ice.
George Jr., in April of 1926, fell...
Accidentally or he jumped into the Des Plaines River.
And I have his death certificate.
Right here basically, you'll see, it just says accidental drowning.
This eventually destroyed Dr. Gindele because he gave up his medical practice.
He moved out of his house, left his wife with the nine kids...
What?
Moved in with his sister, and left her here alone.
Now, she stayed here until she died in 1960.
This is his wife, Julia.
Oh, my gosh.
Could this be the woman you saw?
Yes.
Now, could this possibly be the guy you saw?
- I think so. - Oh, my gosh.
The main areas that he likes to be in...
Is the basement and then the front room upstairs.
Would that be causing her nightmares?
I mean, it seems like they're... yeah.
With him, you'd experience him in a lot of, you know, different ways.
Anyways, you might hear, you know, things in your ears
making threats, touching people.
Most of the stuff he does is in the dark.
I am very afraid of the dark.
And at night, there will be times where I wake up in my sleep...
And I won't even open my eyes.
I'll just pray that I fall back asleep.
Why do you wake up?
- I don't know why I wake up. - Huh.
I did do another sketch of something that he does.
And it was in the main bedroom.
And he was getting physical with a woman in the bed.
Well, I have to show this to you, so...
That's really freaky.
He's touching you.
Why don't you just explain to Amy what you told me?
Well, not too long ago, I was in a sound sleep, and...
I woke up because I felt somebody grabbing my waist.
And I could feel the fingers.
But when I woke up, I did open my eyes, and I was facing Mark.
So, my back would have been towards the closet.
So, it couldn't have been him touching me.
I'm getting angry.
Because this isn't his house anymore. It's my house.
I'm going to tell you what I believe is going on here.
After hearing everything, I kind of feel like I was being a little too hard on him.
It's a heartbreaking story.
The woman, she's always been here. I mean, she never left.
I think that what...
May have happened here is that...
He was probably pulled back to the house.
When you had paranormal groups come in and try to contact the dead.
It probably pulled him back here from the darkness.
This is the place he ran from in life...
Too many memories, too much pain.
He's reliving it over and over and over again.
I think he's angry at you because you called him back here.
I think he's lashing out because he wants to make you suffer, too.
He really can't leave now because he's just in the thick of this chaos.
So, he's not able to leave on his own, even if he wanted to.
Exactly.
So, when you saw the accidents involving the ice and the blood,
was that him reliving his son's accidents?
I think so. It's a very, very sad thing.
It is sad, and on the same... I feel bad for him.
And on the other hand, I'm mad.
- Well, look what he's doing to your wife. - That's the part I'm mad about.
And what he did to my kids.
I know you guys got overwhelmed with a lot of information tonight,
and I'm sure it's not what you wanted to hear.
But the big question is can you live here without all the torment?
And can you go on without having these nightmares
and protect your 3-year-old from having the same issues?
I don't have an answer for that,
but I'm gonna turn it over to Amy, and hopefully, she will.
It's going to sound unusual.
The first thing would be to get a clinical psychologist.
Who practices providing therapy.
These are his conditions.
What do you mean his conditions?
- He's asking for this? - Yes.
Earlier, we made a compromise.
This actually happens quite often.
When I got to the house for the reveal, the angry man approached me,
and we worked out a deal to help him to move on.
He needs to focus...
On talking out his life.
Because right now he's living in chaos.
So, we want to give him a little bit of time to process.
And hopefully, he'll just leave after that anyways.
The second thing is you need to bring in a chaos magician.
What the hell exactly is a chaos magician?
A chaos magician is an individual who...
Follows the philosophy that...
The Universe and the Earth and everything is functioning within chaos.
So they utilize that chaos within their magic.
So, when the chaos magician comes in, that'll get rid of the old lady,
the two burn victims, and Dr. Gindele, too, if he doesn't leave on his own?
Yes.
What of Cristina's nightmares at home?
Because she's having them not here but at her house.
Right.
How do we fix that, or can it be fixed?
When you wake up, you need to tell them, you get out of my house.
You leave me alone. You leave my daughter alone.
Will it affect her daughter?
Well, that remains to be seen.
- She's only having stuff here, right? - Right, yeah.
Yeah. So, you know, they're gonna do all these steps,
and the house is gonna be locked down.
So, then, she'll be fine to come over here.
Are you gonna do what Amy suggests?
I'll do my best, but that psychologist isn't for us.
I got enough people in the house.
Even if we do the other steps, he'll have to leave.
We'll force him to leave.
- Are you seriously gonna do that? - I don't know.
Hey, you got to take some responsibility here, he did not want to be here.
It's just the negotiation part that I have a problem with.
I'm upset, too, you know? This guy beat the [Bleep] out of me for hours.
I think that you should go with what Amy...
Is saying.
And it's just that, you know, as extreme as it is for Lori,
if it gets it all to stop, then swallow your pride, and...
You have to do what you have to do to get it all to stop.
- It's not easy for me. - Because you're pissed off.
But you know what, two wrongs don't make right.
I really hope Mark's frustration doesn't affect his judgment
when it comes to following my advice.
I believe that if he follows the steps I've given him...
He'll not only be helping his family but the dead here, too.